EP 185: The Power of Archetypes with Greg Schmaus: Four Survival Archetypes

Today Greg shares his archetype-based healing program, a transformative journey toward self-discovery and healing that synthesizes the teachings of Paul Chek and Caroline Myss.

Greg's own story of overcoming mental and physical health has refined his holistic coaching methods, empowering listeners to chart their own course toward personal freedom.

Have you ever wondered how deep-seated archetypal patterns influence your self-worth, your ability to set boundaries, or your survival instincts in times of stress? Our dialogue ventures into the intricate dance of survival archetypes, particularly the 'prostitute' archetype, and its role in life's high-stakes negotiations.

Greg shares his insights on navigating life transitions, recognizing childhood dependencies, and embracing the transformation from dependency to self-assured autonomy.  He explains how these archetypal energies play out in real-world scenarios, from the coaching industry's unique negotiation challenges to the broader quest for empowerment.

We discuss how these foundational forces mold our perceptions, affect our relationships, and intersect with our spiritual beliefs. Greg offers a pathway toward resolving divine misconceptions and forging a more fulfilling connection with our personal image of God. With a blend of personal insights and archetypal wisdom, this episode is not just a conversation; it's an invitation to a deeper understanding of the forces that shape us.

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Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:18

Your life is your greatest work of art, and it all relates back to the synchronous peace. Welcome to Integrate Yourself. I'm your host, alison Pillow, and you can find me at alisonpillowcom. Today I'm here with a very special guest, greg Schmouse, who is on my show for the third time, and I'm very honored to have him on again for the third time on my show Yay. And so he is coming out with a new program, a new course, and we're going to talk about that today.

Speaker 2: 0:49

He's the CEO of Healing 4D, a holistic health practitioner. He's a shamanic energy healer, a massage therapist, and he is the creator of Healing the Mind, a 21-day holistic mental health program, and he has a new program that, again, we're going to talk about. That involves the archetypes and learning about that and using those archetypes to heal yourself. With a fully integrated approach to physical and mental health, greg supports students across the world in gaining understanding and meaning to their healing journey. Through his online programs and personal client coaching, greg guides students and clients towards higher awareness, empowerment and freedom in their lives through authentic lifestyle practices.

Speaker 2: 1:39

Over the past decade, greg has coached countless clients with various physical and mental health challenges, integrating the lessons of many of his great teachers and mentors, including Paul Czech and Alberto Vilo Vilido, I think, is how you say it I think I had trouble with that name last time too and his professional journey began with the Czech Institute in 2013, studying holistic health and corrective exercise. In 2017, greg was inspired to earn credentials as a licensed clinical massage therapist and body worker through the Institute for Therapeutic Massage. Following his studies with ITM, he enrolled and completed the four wins Light Body School, studying shamanic energy medicine in 2020. Greg believes that we are all on a unique healing journey that paves the way back home to wholeness. Greg's personal journey, healing from various physical and mental health challenges, is the foundation of each one of his coaching programs. With this foundation, greg is able to coach and teach his students and clients from a place of authentic, embodied experience. Greg, thank you so much for being on the show again.

Speaker 1: 2:52

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2: 2:56

You're so welcome. It's an honor to have you here, and today we are going to talk about your new program and, please, I know it's an archetype program, but I can't remember Is it seven archetypes? I've been studying, I started the course and it's really amazing. So, yeah, we're going to get into that, but first I wanted to have you reintroduce everybody, just in case they didn't listen to the last couple of shows you were on on Integrate Yourself, and then also give everybody an update on what you're doing now and what you've done since.

Speaker 1: 3:32

And yeah, just, and then we'll weave in some stuff in there as well.

Speaker 2: 3:39

I know you're going to read the full bio. I, like you know, I have this thing about knowing, especially in this day and age. You know where there are a lot of imposters. I want to know how people got to where they are, where they are in life and why they're teaching things. I want to know their background and I'm also just curious about their stories. So that's why I like to give a full bio for people, so that people can get an idea of who they're talking to and where they've been. You know.

Speaker 1: 4:08

Well, I won't share my backgrounds in a way that just repeats what you just shared, so I'll share it in another way. You know my journey into holistic health and healing has always been inspired by my own healing, you know. For me that started I would say it started back in college, but obviously that's not true because we're on a healing journey that's pretty much infinite and eternal, like we're um. But a lot of my challenges in this lifetime started more towards the end of high school and into college when I started having a lot of anxiety and OCD and gut issues. So, like my health was starting to break down from an early age.

Speaker 1: 4:58

I was kind of going into like my own crisis and that was kind of like my initiation into this world of healing and I always felt driven and guided by my own journey and everything that I decided to explore whether it was nutrition and lifestyle, coaching, massage therapy, energy, medicine, archetypes all of it was really inspired by me wanting to get a job and I was really inspired by my own journey. I was inspired by me wanting to really heal internally for me, wanting to come to a greater understanding of myself and the healing journey and then use that as a foundation or platform to help others. So I've always looked at my challenges as an opportunity to discover more about myself, but then to use that as an opportunity to serve the world. And that's really what's kind of been my guiding light getting me up until this point where now it's kind of ventured off into writing, podcasting, course creation, coaching, clients, so kind of dabbling in a little bit of all of that.

Speaker 2: 6:12

Yeah, that's amazing. So you're writing a book now too, and that's incredible. You and I've talked about that, and that's just a big next step to write a book for sure. I wanted to ask about the archetypes because I know when I took your course, you gave a background on how you came to build this course and who influenced you on your journey there. And two of the people well, one of the people, of course, is Paul Check, but two other people that I was really curious about is Caroline Miss and Matt Kahn, who I haven't seen Matt Kahn in a long time, but I was just curious in how you got connected with both of them and what led you to really study their work and what you learned from them, and that kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 7:05

Yeah, so Paul Check was my first mentor, who was the first person to introduce me to archetypes. So I was a client of his going back almost 10 years ago and so I started to explore archetypes and I work with him and obviously the Check Institute teaches some of the archetypes as well. But it wasn't until about four to five years ago that I really became more interested in Caroline Miss's version of the archetypes. My partner introduced me to Caroline Miss and some of her deeper explorations of the survival archetypes which we'll get into. So I ended up taking a deep dive and actually doing some of her certification training on being an archetypal consultant and being able to work with what's called the archetype wheel, which combines astrology and archetypes altogether into one which is pretty unique. So I spent many years studying Caroline's work to really understand the essence of the four survival archetypes.

Speaker 1: 8:18

And then Matt Kahn has been one of my favorite spiritual teachers. Really, I would say in the last five plus years I followed his work very closely and done some healing sessions with him, went to some workshops with him, so I've just really enjoyed the way that he works energetically and so I've applied in this course some of his energetic healing principles and some of the techniques that I use working with the archetypes, and I've also included some of Richard Schwartz's work from IFS, which is Internal Family Systems, which is working with the different parts of the psyche which are really archetypes. So a lot of that work is kind of repurposed archetype work. So I just kind of drew on a lot of these different teachers and modalities and kind of put it together as one working system and that's what this course became.

Speaker 2: 9:18

Yeah, and you did such a great job with it and articulating it as well, as it's very clear and easy to follow but profoundly life-changing in some ways when people realize that they're playing out these personalities, and it can be really empowering to step out of that and know who you are, aside from those characters that you're playing in your life. Right, because sometimes we don't realize we're playing those characters, but we are, and what that does is it just takes us out of that kind of 3D matrix realities that we step out of it. We become the observers of our reality, more so than in it, and not being able to see anything else. Right?

Speaker 1: 12:31

Yeah, A lot of the beauty of the archetype of work is a couple of things. Number one when you understand the archetypes, you put yourself to create a little space between you and the patterns that you play out. So it allows you to kind of self-reflect with a little bit more space and also realize that you know archetypes aren't personal. Things like the archetypes aren't unique to you. We all tap into these collective archetypes and we're just expressing them in our own individual way. So when you kind of explore your saboteur or your victim or your prostitute, like, you realize that, hey look, everyone has an inner victim, Everyone has an inner prostitute. So it's nothing unique to me, it's just my own way of expressing it. So it becomes almost like more user-friendly to explore the parts of yourself that otherwise might be hard to look at.

Speaker 2: 13:28

Yeah, less criticism, too, and judgment about it, right, because everybody's experiencing it, we all have that in us, and so, yeah, I think the it really takes a lot of the pressure off of people you know and realizing, oh, I'm playing this out. Okay, I don't need to be playing this out, but I do like how you put it in your course and how like we tend to think of these some of the survival archetypes, as you know, as shadows, you know, and like the saboteur and the victim. But there are light sides of those as well, and I love how you put that in that course. That was like, oh yeah, I never thought about it like that actually, but you do get, you know, the light side of you getting some needs met, but then you move into the dark side when you're using it too much, right, and you're lying on it too much.

Speaker 1: 14:27

So, yeah, maybe we can talk more about that.

Speaker 1: 14:32

Yeah, also, before I get to that, it's also important to realize that this is great work to do in relationships. Yeah, because when you can see relationships through the lens of archetypes, it becomes less personal, like when you're engaging relationships and you can see the archetypal dynamics of it. You don't take things as personally. You realize, oh, this is so and so is victim archetype or so and so saboteur or whatever it might be, or my victim and my saboteur showing up. So it allows you to look at relationship dynamics with less defensiveness, without taking things personally. So it's really a beautiful approach to explore yourself and it gives you a nice language to understand yourself.

Speaker 1: 15:21

When it comes to the, you know, the archetypes are always 50% light and 50% shadow. You know there's no archetype that has more light and shadow or more shadow than light. You know they all play their own role and they're all held in balance, like, for example, the victim archetype, you know, and a lot of like the personal development world. There's so much like almost like vilifying the victim, like playing the victim and like victim hood and victim consciousness, like we're always like kind of like downplaying or kind of vilifying that archetype but not realizing that there's a difference between being a victim and playing the victim.

Speaker 2: 16:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:12

Right, playing the victim is how you're using the victim to get your emotional needs met and you know, etc. Etc. But the truth is the victim has a light side, which is to protect you when you're being victimized. So the victim inside of you acknowledges hey look, I'm a victim here and I need to either set a boundary or make some sort of change and take action. So the light side of the victim is empowering yourself to set boundaries against anything that feels like it's a threat to you. Right, it would be silly to be in an abusive relationship and say, oh no, I don't play the victim. It's like you're literally being abused, like you should either set a boundary here or get out of the relationship. That's the light side of that archetype is to empower yourself to set boundaries.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Yeah, and I didn't think about it like that, but that's so true. And it does push people to set boundaries when they're feeling like the uncomfortable shadow side of the victim. Right, yeah, and you're right, it's like it is. There's a lot in the self-improvement realm about like don't be a victim, and you know, because I think we've been inundated with victimhood for the last two or three years, right, and people don't really know how to move over to the light side of it. But this is brilliant, I love it.

Speaker 1: 17:46

Yeah, and you know. Another example of that might be the prostitute. You know, the prostitute is the archetype of self-compromise, right, where we might compromise ourselves or step out of alignment with our values or integrity, all for whether it's like financial gain, security or some sort of guarantee, right. So the shadow side would be the compromising of oneself. But the light side of the prostitute is knowing the power of negotiation. Yeah, like knowing when and how to negotiate, but doing it from a place of empowerment, not from a place of self-compromise. You know. An example of that might be, you know, let's say you say you asked me for a coaching session and I'm like sure, I'd love to support you with a coaching session. When would you like to do it? And you say, how, about tomorrow at 2.30 am? I would say no, because my value relate to being asleep at that time, right? So then you come back and say, well, I'll give you $40,000 for the session. Well, I would say I'll see you at 2.15.

Speaker 1: 19:13

Right, yeah, that's an example of the prostitute, which is. I know my worth, I know what I have to offer and I value it. And this is a situation in which I'm willing to negotiate, I'm willing to compromise a value because I feel like the return that I get is worth it.

Speaker 2: 19:33

Yeah, that's a great way to look at it, yeah because usually the way I look at it yes, I'm not really.

Speaker 2: 19:44

I'm working on negotiation myself. I don't feel like I have a lot of experience with that in my life. I feel like I don't really I haven't dove into that greatly. But yeah, I love looking at it like that, because there are times well, I mean, I guess I have negotiated in my life and I've done that, yeah. But I think sometimes I feel bad about those times where I negotiate and it's a fair negotiation, it's a good balance and I've agreed to it, but I'm like, did I compromise myself? But I think you have to find the, you know, because I'm like, oh, I've compromised my values, but in the past, you know, and then, but I don't know, I think I'm going to need to play around with that a little bit and just think about how that applies to my life as well, because that's a good one, that's a really good one, greg. I didn't think about it like that though. Yeah, yeah it's.

Speaker 2: 20:50

In your experience do you know a lot of people that are very comfortable with negotiation, especially in the coaching community.

Speaker 1: 20:59

Not in the coaching community. I think, most coaches are terrible business negotiators. We're too sensitive and too empathic. It's actually kind of pathetic.

Speaker 2: 21:18

That's what I was thinking too. Yes, it's a problem, right it is. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1: 21:24

Totally.

Speaker 2: 21:26

I've fallen into that for sure in my life. Oh, my goodness, that's so good. I'm going to pause for just one second. Hold on a second, greg. I'm sweating, I'm having hot flashes, I'm going to menopause, but that's okay. I'm doing great, I'm getting better. I've had to really hone in on my self-care, really get even better at it and more focused. That's been really helpful. But still, menopause is not the most comfortable thing. Sometimes we're talking about the four survival archetypes. Have we started talking about that yet? I don't know. I kind of lost track of where we were, but have we started? Oh yeah, we started. We talked about the prostitute, the victim. I think we got to the prostitute and I don't think we went further.

Speaker 2: 22:33

Yeah, we can explore more of those archetypes, though I like the inner child stuff that you share too, especially as it relates to the survival archetypes, then I never thought about it like four survival archetypes before, but it makes so much sense to put it that way because we do have those. That's what creates our survival mode in life. And so interesting. Yeah, that wasn't a question. Sorry, greg, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1: 23:15

The four survival archetypes are like four legs of the table that hold you up. They're what support you in times of stress, in times of essentially any time your sense of safety, security or survival feels threatened. You're going to move into one or any combination of those archetypes. One thing that's really important for people to understand with those is anytime you move into a sympathetic, fight or flight state in your nervous system, you're technically now in survival mode. If you're in survival mode, you're then going to start acting out the survival archetypes because your nervous system and psyche are just wired that way. The child archetype is kind of like the nucleus. It's kind of like the first archetype that in this lifetime you start to step into and body, because you're totally dependent and helpless. When you're born, through your early years, you're dependent on a mother and father, parental authority figure for your own survival. You're not able to fully take care of yourself yet you will literally do anything that you possibly can to maintain a sense of safety, connection and love to those caretakers. Sometimes that means sabotaging yourself, sometimes that means prostituting yourself. Sometimes that means victimizing yourself. You realize that a lot of the healing journey, especially with these archetypes, is about rewriting the contracts that you wrote with those archetypes. Initially, the contract is this is what I have to do to feel safe and secure, to get my needs met. Eventually, you rewrite the contract into this is how I want to live, to experience freedom and empowerment. For example, you may have had to be a people pleaser as a child to get your needs met, because if I pleased everybody, everyone was happy with me, they were less stressed and I felt like they were more fit and willing to take care of me. That serves you for a period of time, bringing you safety and security. Then, now, as you get into your teens, 20s, adulthood, and you're still acting out the people pleaser. Well, now you're exhausting yourself, you're experiencing fatigue, overwhelm, your nervous system stressed and you're giving your energy away all the time saying yes to everybody. Now you realize, oh shit, my health crisis is literally just asking me to rewrite this old contract. That said, I have to please everybody for my own survival, which now I'm very capable of taking care of myself. Now I need to create something new which is more aligned with what feels free, what feels empowering.

Speaker 1: 26:37

A lot of these survival archetypes are essentially what you have to do to survive, but not necessarily thrive. Yeah, yep, each archetype is there to protect the child. The saboteur is there to protect the child. The prostitute is there to protect the child. These go back very, very far into our childhood and usually develop within the first seven to 10 years of our life. I remember very clear memories of being quite young where my mom would take me to my dad's doctor's office. He was a doctor anytime I was in pain and when my mom would take me there, I would get the best treatment from my dad and the nurses and the partners. The victim in me says oh, when I'm in pain, I get more love from dad.

Speaker 1: 27:45

Now there's a contract there that says if I need more love, empathy or compassion, then pain or illness is how I get that emotional need map. There's a contract there with the victim archetype. Another one might be when I speak my truth, I get yelled at. The saboteur says don't speak your truth, it's not safe to do so. You start sabotaging your voice. You see the victim, the saboteur, the prostitute they're all there to protect the inner child that's just trying to survive and get its needs met.

Speaker 2: 28:24

Yes, that makes so much sense. So much sense, yeah, because I was just going to ask you at the saboteur how does that pan out? How is that protective? But that makes sense. Yeah, because that's also a big thing Speaking your truth. A lot of people are afraid to do that. Even now it's a big thing.

Speaker 1: 28:49

The saboteur is a very interesting one. It's the one that most people can relate to, because they can all look at their lives and be like, oh yeah, I sabotaged myself in these areas. Sometimes it's harder for people to look at the victim or the prostitute just because of the connotation of them. Everyone demonizes the victim and no one wants to look at the prostitute just because of the term prostitute.

Speaker 2: 29:16

Right, yeah, they tend to think of sex instead of self-compact. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:21

But it's just where we sell ourselves. But the saboteur, on a deeper level, really represents our relationship with truth and our relationship with power. The saboteur tries to protect you from truth and tries to protect you from your own power, because it knows that if you acknowledge a certain truth or you step into your power, then everything in your life is going to change. If we take the people-pleasing example the saboteur and you knows that most of the people that you're in a relationship with are getting their needs met by you being a people-pleaser.

Speaker 1: 30:13

Yeah that's what when you change, people are like wait a minute, yeah, but as soon as you step into your power, all of a sudden they're not getting their needs met anymore and all your relationships blow up in your face. So you see how the saboteur is actually protecting you from the inconvenience of truth and power.

Speaker 2: 30:33

Ah, yes.

Speaker 1: 30:36

It could be the truth that you don't enjoy your job, but you sabotage yourself anyway because you're getting a steady paycheck, yeah. Or you're not happy in your relationship, but you're afraid of being alone, or you're afraid of X, y and Z. So you protect yourself from that truth and you sabotage yourself in the process. So the saboteur is always protecting you from truth and power, because it feels as though if you step into your power or you embrace some sort of truth, it's going to be very inconvenient. Right, things are going to change. That's a big one right now.

Speaker 2: 31:19

Yeah especially because it's all about convenience. Right, we're all about convenience in our lifestyle.

Speaker 1: 31:25

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:27

And there's no room and no time for blowing things up, right, I mean?

Speaker 1: 31:33

or even slowing down at this point. It's protecting you, yeah, it's protecting you from what's unfamiliar, the unknown. The savature is always protecting you from the unknown? Yeah Right, so that makes sense. If you find yourself sabotaging yourself, what you can ask yourself is the best question you can always ask yourself is what part of me is benefiting from doing so?

Speaker 2: 32:01

Yes.

Speaker 1: 32:02

Right. And with the saboteur, there's a term called secondary gain, right. Secondary gain is the part of you that benefits from either pain or patterns of self-sabotage, right? That's the essence of the saboteur is there's a part of you that's benefiting from doing so, right? So if you take a look at your patterns of self-sabotage, a lot of people almost like guilt, blame and shame themselves for doing it. Like gosh, why am I always sabotaging myself? Well, instead of trying to answer that question, first, answer the question how am I benefiting from doing so? Yeah, and then you arrive at an answer which allows you to potentially make a different choice or get that need met in a different way.

Speaker 1: 32:56

And there's a lot of very simple examples that can show up in people's lives. For example, I might get a client with chronic back pain who comes to me for help saying they want to get out of pain, but you realize that they're getting medical leave and pay time off from the job that they don't enjoy. Oh, yeah. So the secondary gain is using pain to get out of something that they don't enjoy doing, and right now they're getting paid to do so. So the saboteur being what protects you from truth, what's the truth there that I don't enjoy my career. Yes, that.

Speaker 1: 33:39

I'm doing something that I don't like to do. Right, so you can see how secondary gain and the protection from truth is really where the saboteur shows up.

Speaker 2: 33:52

Yeah, yeah. And it's just really that first level of self-awareness about, yeah, really being honest in our life about what we really want to be doing. And, like you said, if the payoff is high for that behavior or playing that role, then you're not going to see the value in changing it right Until you see that there's a bigger payoff on the other side.

Speaker 1: 34:20

It's almost like you have to tip the scales where you're never going to change. If there's still more benefit in not changing, yeah, then actually making the change. And once your awareness starts to perceive more benefit from the change than from the illness or pain, then that's when change starts to happen. So it's almost like the scales just need to tip. And a lot of the self-sabotage is when we're still kind of leaning towards the side of I'm benefiting more from the pain than I am from making the change, yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:01

That's a big.

Speaker 1: 35:02

Which can be a hard thing to look at for people.

Speaker 2: 35:04

Oh very much, yeah, very much, because we don't want to. I mean, ultimately, people In general, I feel like it's hard for them to take responsibility. It's like we're getting back into that victim thing, right, like because we're not taking responsibility for what we're actually creating on many levels and I think it's number one. Taking responsibility and saying, hey, just open the door to curiosity with that Like, what could this be about? And reflecting on that is where I would say, most people start and that feels like it might be a little bit better than just jumping in and trying to analyze yourself, just asking a question and saying, hey, what is this all about? And then most people I feel like, do know, if you're not happy with your job, you know this, you know this is the underlying current, but most of us don't want to really look at that because it's like that prostitute archetype we're negotiating our values, so what we're getting paid is going to be higher in value than what we you know, than honoring our values, you know our time or happiness or whatever it is.

Speaker 1: 36:22

Yeah, the prostitute is also what competes with your intuition.

Speaker 2: 36:26

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:27

That makes sense. So let's say, your intuition says it's time for you to leave your job as an accountant and go be an artist. Well, the prostitute then comes in and says that's a terrible idea, because you're getting a steady paycheck as an accountant and you realize that the prostitute's job is to always try and ensure a guaranteed outcome. Right, like a guaranteed paycheck. Or when I was a child and my mom would give me money to go to the movies with friends, I would find myself buying my friends movie tickets. Now at the time I was like, oh, I'm being a nice guy. Well, what was I doing? I was buying their loyalty. Yes, I was buying a guarantee like an insurance policy.

Speaker 1: 37:27

And the sabbat, not the sabbatore, the prostitute, is really related to your self-worth. All right if you don't have self-worth or trust yourself, like in that situation. I didn't trust or have the self-worth that they would want to be friends with me, just for me. So I figured I would buy a guarantee, all right. So you see how the prostitute all relates to self-worth and it relates to trying to ensure some guaranteed outcome because it doesn't trust. And that's where it competes against intuition, because intuition a lot of times is. A lot of times, intuition is guiding you into something that goes against your fears of security, of losing security, like not being an accountant anymore and going and being an artist. That goes against your fears of losing security and not having guaranteed income as an example. So a lot of times, what intuition is guiding us into is in competition with what the prostitute is trying to ensure for us.

Speaker 2: 38:44

So there's conflict there on those times With your coaching, how do you help people when they're in that I mean, I'm not laughing, I'm just saying yes, and I'm kind of just laughing because I've experienced everything you're talking about. I've lived it, and especially with a prostitute. The self-compromise I've did that for years and it's so interesting. The lights I think I remember Paul talked about that too the light side being intuition, and that is something I've just now come to be able to really make peace with. But I struggle with that for such a long time.

Speaker 1: 39:30

Me too. It's hard, especially when you've been taught to not trust yourself. Yes, a lot of people have been taught from a young age to not trust their intuition, and I'm one of those people who has had a really hard time trusting his intuition and constant patterns of second guessing or always reverting back to what feels safe, secure and familiar. So that's really the I call this course Healing your Core Archetypes A Journey of Empowerment is because these are all the ways in which we negotiate or give our power away. These archetypes really represent your relationship with your own power and what you give your power away to whether it's other people, belief systems, finances, certain life circumstances, things we feel victimized by, ways we sabotage ourselves, ways we prostitute ourselves. This is all your relationship with your own power, your own empowerment, and healing the archetypes is really the journey of reclaiming your power, and where you give your power away is also where your energy goes.

Speaker 1: 41:01

Yes, so, if you're, for example, if you're struggling with your own health, your health is hiding in the power that you gave away. That's really where your health is to be reclaimed. It's the power that needs to be reclaimed. It could be as simple as saying no to things that you used to say yes to, but you were saying yes out of obligation. I was just working with a client before we got on today. She was telling me about her family situation and certain relationships and how so many choices are made out of obligation and what is obligation? Obligation is a choice made out of fear and avoidance.

Speaker 2: 41:51

Yes.

Speaker 1: 41:52

Right, fear of triggering someone else's disappointment, unmet expectations, et cetera, et cetera. So you could see how patterns of self-sabotage are showing up there and someone like that has left feeling exhausted, feeling angry and resentful, and now their health is starting to be compromised. So one of the first ways in which we reclaim our health is by reclaiming our power, and these archetypes are really the ways in which we can do that.

Speaker 2: 42:26

Absolutely. Yeah, that's wonderful. I think of them as energy or Chi leaks. Our energy is going in this direction we're not crazy about, but we still let it go and it just stays unresolved. It siphons our energy after a while and then we're like ah, I remember when I first started getting into the fitness coaching industry, I worked with so many women who had fibromyalgia.

Speaker 2: 42:58

It was a big thing. I noticed that it was just because they couldn't do it. That's what they were doing. They were leaking their energy into all these situations and thinking about things way too much and worrying about things and it was having an effect on their body. It was creating pain. So these things can surface physically. Everything energetic surfaces physically eventually if it stays there long enough. So this is why it's really good for your health to just look at these archetypes and see, okay, where can I balance these out? Because I like the 50-50 thing, because it can always be balanced and there's no right or wrong. It's just how you're playing it out in your life and we all feel those times where they're out of balance in our life and we can feel that in our bodies, we can feel that in our low energy state, and so it's good to have a check-in, to be able to rebalance those roles that you're playing in your life.

Speaker 1: 44:06

Yeah, a lot of it is just self-reflection, exploring your day and saying was there any time during the day in which I felt victimized, felt like life was just happening to me rather than for me? Did I fall into any patterns of blame or self-pity? Or were there any patterns of self-soothing rather than self-care? That's another big thing. Is anytime we fall into patterns of self-soothing we know we've moved into the victim archetype?

Speaker 2: 44:46

Would, that be like addictions or something, or would that fall under that category?

Speaker 1: 44:51

Yeah, Addictions yeah, overeating, checking out whatever it is. But patterns of self-soothing are an expression of the victim and usually the victim and self-soothing is related to pointing outside of you as to someone or something as the cause of your experience. Right, it could be. You know I'm doing for everyone else at the expense of myself. I never have enough time or energy for myself. Then we go home and we don't engage in self care. After that we engage in self soothing. So that's another example of where you can explore the victim archetype or patterns of self soothing.

Speaker 2: 45:43

That's a big differentiation there. Yeah, to make good discernment there. I like that.

Speaker 1: 45:51

Yeah, because the truth is, you know, the victim is. You know I remember a quote once that said victimhood is anything less than 100% self responsibility. Yeah, so anytime we're not taking 100% ownership for our lives, that's technically victimhood, you know. So that's a big one we obviously can take a look at. You know patterns of self sabotage throughout the day but we're not taking care of ourselves, areas in life that we're not speaking our truth or being honest or authentic. You know, maybe, ways in which we're procrastinating or not like taking action on things, patterns of stagnation.

Speaker 1: 46:40

So, you know, with the saboteur, you know, the big question, like I shared earlier, is what part of me is benefiting by sabotaging. That opens the door for, like, a deeper exploration which then can clear the path for you to make a new choice. Now, in the course, I take you through specific meditations and energetic clearings and integration work to really explore these archetypes pretty deeply and understand the origins of them. But a lot of it is kind of like the self reflection practice and inner exploration each day, and in the course I kind of take you through exactly how to do that but also take you through specific practices to build a relationship with each archetype. I think that's the biggest thing is learning how to cultivate a relationship with the archetypes. You can create enough space inside of yourself to begin to understand the pattern.

Speaker 1: 47:41

And once you can kind of cultivate that relationship with it. Now you have the space to make a different choice. You know, because you're also, you're not identified as it anymore when you're in relationship with it. Yeah, like I'm in relationship with Allison because I don't identify as her.

Speaker 2: 48:02

Right, yeah, that's a great way to put it.

Speaker 1: 48:04

If I'm in relationship with my inner victim, I don't identify as the victim anymore, because now there's a me, separate from the victim, that can now have the space to make a new choice.

Speaker 2: 48:19

Yeah, and that expression of the victim becomes a part of you and you integrate that right into your whole being.

Speaker 1: 48:28

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 48:29

Yeah, yeah, the the victim too, I think, is there was something I was going to bring up about. The victim is. It's a big thing right now, especially with the younger generations, and I, I feel like also, just I wanted to ask you a question about the victim is it? Would it also with a light side of that? You're saying setting boundaries but also just saying I don't want to participate with that. You know, that would be a way of setting boundaries as well. I'm thinking to boundary. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:01

Yeah, anytime you say no, you're setting a boundary. Yeah, the word no is a boundary like imagine, you know, the first time you said a boundary was when you said no, like you were, you know, you were in your high chair and your mom was coming in with the food and you pushed it away. Right, that's your body saying no by setting a boundary, right? So the word no is basically the greatest boundary or simplest boundary that you can set.

Speaker 2: 49:36

Yeah, it's pretty powerful.

Speaker 1: 49:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:40

Well, that is wonderful. Thanks so much, greg. This has been in a very enlightening conversation, so thanks for coming on, and I would love for you to share where they can find your course. Thanks, or anything and anything else you can. You want to share about that too.

Speaker 1: 49:57

Yeah, so you know. The course outlines seven archetypes. We touched upon the four survivals. Today, in addition to the four survivals, we go into the mother, the father and the Amago day. Right. So the mother and father are your relationship with the masculine and feminine, which starts with your relationship with mom and dad, right. So mom represents your relationship with your feminine, also the feminine of others, and the masculine dad represents your relationship with your inner masculine, the masculine of others and other men. So these are also like deep formative forces that develop early on in our lifetime. And the mother archetype essentially sets the stage for how you mother yourself, for how you receive yourself, how you relate to your inner life. And the father archetype, which is more externalized, sets the stage for how you're going to be received by the world, how you think you're going to be received by the world. Like if your dad was like a super macho guy, not emotional or very intellectual, like you think you're going to be received by the world in that way.

Speaker 1: 51:18

So you might compartmentalize your emotional stuff, because you don't think the world's going to be able to receive that because your dad wasn't able to Right. So a lot of it is kind of rewriting the script as to the way the world is going to receive me might not be a reflection of how my father received me and how I relate to my inner life. How is that a mirror of how my mother received me and what shifts do I need to make there? It's a lot of inner parenting.

Speaker 2: 51:45

Yes.

Speaker 1: 51:46

Right, and kind of like exploring how mom and dad still live inside of you and in the course I take you through a lot of different practices, meditations, clearings, just to kind of work with mom, dad and even their lineage, right. So a lot of those patterns are inherited patterns from previous generations, right. And then the last, the last archetype that we go into is the Amago day, which is your image of God. Yeah, whatever you're perception of God is yeah, yeah. So that's a big one, that's a really powerful archetype.

Speaker 2: 52:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:22

Because that excuse me, that archetype informs all other archetypes. Right the Amago day will inform the child, the victim, the saboteur, the prostitute and, for example, if you always see God as the father, that might keep you in the child. Oh yeah, if you feel like God is going to reward you for all the good things and punish you for all the bad things, that actually sets you up for the victim. If you have ideas as to what God wants or needs or what you're supposed to do, that might set you up for self-sabotage. Or the prostitute is a really interesting one, where how much of people's prayer is an act of negotiation, oh my.

Speaker 2: 53:14

God, I never thought about it like this Most people's prostitute archetype is the one that's praying.

Speaker 1: 53:21

Yeah, it is, that's true. It is a negotiation sometimes yeah. I want this outcome, I want this guaranteed outcome and I promise, if you give me this guaranteed outcome, I won't do this anymore.

Speaker 2: 53:37

Right, yeah, right.

Speaker 1: 53:38

That's literally the prostitute that's showing up like in your prayer. Love, which I've seen this in myself like tremendously. And then also the mother and father, where we project mom and dad qualities onto the Amago Day, onto God, right? So you see, all these archetypes are so interwoven, but the Amago Day informs all of the other ones Also. You know, the Amago Day can relate to your relationship with death and if you think about the four survival archetypes, it relates to survival. So if your beliefs around death are reincarnation, that's going to inform your survival archetypes much differently than if you think it's just lights out, right?

Speaker 2: 54:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:33

Right yeah. So when you sabotage yourself, prostitute yourself or if you feel victimized, For example, a lot of people who only identify with this physical realm might feel victimized by something where someone else who has more of a connection to spirit or soul might not feel as victimized by it.

Speaker 2: 54:56

Yes, ok, yeah. Or like I was saying if you, have that connection to spirit, but if you don't and you're more in the physical, you're saying you're going to be more feeling like a victim as it relates to the afterlife right or death.

Speaker 1: 55:13

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:16

Or if you think about, like, how many times we set up this like spiritual equation, that, like I was saying earlier, do something good, get a reward, do something bad, get a punishment. Well, what happens when you do something good and you don't get the reward you were looking for? Or what happens if you get an undesirable outcome but you can't find something wrong that you did to deserve it? That all sets the stage for the victim archetype.

Speaker 2: 55:47

Oh, yeah, right.

Speaker 1: 55:48

Yeah, so you could see how your beliefs around God, religion, spirituality, all of it are constantly informing all of your other archetypes.

Speaker 2: 56:01

Oh, that makes sense. It's a source. It is the source of everything, right, yeah, yeah. What would be the light side of that? Like that expression.

Speaker 1: 56:13

The Imago Day.

Speaker 2: 56:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 56:16

Well, just having a healthy relationship with God, yeah, Having a healthy relationship with source and healing a lot of your old programs around it. I've had to heal a lot of my programs around projecting parental qualities onto God. You know aspects of my mother or father. Like you know, my mom was very loving, but to her unconditional love was just like saying yes to everything, Right?

Speaker 2: 56:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 56:50

So I had this idea that, oh, unconditional love is saying yes to everything. Well, all of a sudden I become a people pleaser in the name of spirituality. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:05

Or you know my dad it was, yeah, yeah, or my dad, you know, it was always very like performance and achievement driven yeah, where I probably have just turned spirituality into a performance, into a competition. Yeah, and I'm not worthy of my father's love, I'm not worthy of God's love until I've done enough, until I've, you know, produced enough or shared enough, or worked enough or loved enough, or it's always like never enough. Yeah, I know that feeling that comes from. Yeah, so you could see they're all intertwined, they're all informing one another. But the light side of the Amago Day is just really having a healthy relationship with source.

Speaker 2: 58:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:04

When that serves you.

Speaker 2: 58:06

Yeah, I think that's beautiful. Well, thank you, greg, that was incredible. I would highly recommend you guys go do this course because it is going to really help you get balanced in all those areas of your life. So definitely, and it's a very affordable course. And I mean you just are so clear and you just take everybody with so much support step by step through the process. So thank you, greg, for offering this and do it. They go to their, do they go to your website to find the course? How do they? I will leave a link to under the show notes for it, a direct one, but is there any anywhere else? You want to direct people as far as websites, social media, that kind of thing?

Speaker 1: 58:53

Yeah, so my website is healing4dcom and that's where that's kind of like my home base, where everything's really located. They want one on one coaching my programs and we'll have your link to the course in the show notes so people can use that link and then for a discount they can use the code podcast 20, which will allow them to save 20% off. So to get to the course directly, just use Allison's link in the show notes.

Speaker 2: 59:28

All right, I will provide that. Thank you, greg, appreciate it so much. Thanks for coming on today. Thank you for having me. It was an honor. Thank you, thank you.